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Joe Salter
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Posted - 02/13/2011 :  18:10:46  Show Profile  Visit Joe Salter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Poll Question:
Which of these juggling tricks is the hardest to do?

Hardest as in the most difficult to become solid at. I'd like to hear your opinions on why one trick is harder than the others. Or, just put them all in order in terms of increasing difficulty.

Joe S.

Choices:

7 Ball Cascade
5 Club Backcrosses
Siteswap 97531
5 Ball Cascade with Head Bounce
5 Ring Pancakes
7 Ring Cascade

(Anonymous Vote - Viewing results before voting will spoil your vote)

Mark Kolbusz
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Posted - 02/17/2011 :  23:19:08  Show Profile  Visit Mark Kolbusz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Obviously this question is very subjective and if we got a larger number of people to respond I think the votes would be almost equal. I voted for the 5 club back crosses, simply because....out of all those things that what I find themost difficult. Im sure that if I was more interested in 5 club back crosses and spent time on them they would not be #1...but until that day comes...the 5 balls with a bounce is by far the easiest trick on that list, and im sure that 99% of the juggling population would not agree with me...but again, the answers on her will all vary from person to person

T.B.M.
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Joe Salter
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Posted - 02/18/2011 :  10:50:49  Show Profile  Visit Joe Salter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your response, Mark. I can't do any of these tricks besides 7 ball cascade. From my general juggling knowledge, I think that 5 club backcrosses are the hardest of these. That's interesting because I would have picked 5 balls with headbounce as #2. You're very good at it, so maybe for you it's not that hard. It is subjective. Obviously these aren't the hardest tricks in juggling, just ones that I wanted to compare that are pretty popular or admirable. I hope we get some more feedback and input into this subjective rating of tricks.

Joe S.
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Mike Fisher
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Posted - 02/18/2011 :  13:07:49  Show Profile  Send Mike Fisher a Yahoo! Message Send Mike Fisher a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well....I didnít vote because I canít do any of theses tricks. I can do a five ball cascade ok but not near advanced enough to work on 97531 even if I had the ceiling height available. :((

Mike
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Joe Salter
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Posted - 02/18/2011 :  21:16:51  Show Profile  Visit Joe Salter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@Mike: That's funny. Yeah, I'm there with you, in that I can't do most of these patterns. I used to live in a house with regular sized ceilings so it limited my practice for a couple of years. Luckily I have 10.6 ft living room ceiling now. I really prefer my inlaw's 14 ft ceilings though! So nice...



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Mike Fisher
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Posted - 02/21/2011 :  10:11:21  Show Profile  Send Mike Fisher a Yahoo! Message Send Mike Fisher a Private Message  Reply with Quote
@Joe: Yea my in-laws have great ceiling height too, but are not fans of juggling. My wifeís father thinks juggling is a complete waste of valuable time that could be spent pruning grape vines; the first time he saw me juggle when wife and I were dating he referred to me as a gypsy now 25 years and many hair cuts later he hasnít changed his mind....hahahahaa
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Joe Salter
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Posted - 02/21/2011 :  13:18:48  Show Profile  Visit Joe Salter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Fisher

@Joe: Yea my in-laws have great ceiling height too, but are not fans of juggling. My wifeís father thinks juggling is a complete waste of valuable time that could be spent pruning grape vines; the first time he saw me juggle when wife and I were dating he referred to me as a gypsy now 25 years and many hair cuts later he hasnít changed his mind....hahahahaa



Luckily my inlaws are cool with it. That's too bad they don't really respect your juggling. Pruning grape vines is much higher up the hierarchy of constructive things to do in life, I guess. Juggling is probably ranked just below massaging grass blades in the summer, by most folks. That was random.

Never heard the gypsy comment before. At least he was unique in his response. Maybe the haircut gave him that impression? Don't know the history of gypsies and juggling, but maybe they are good jugglers.

It's funny because my inlaws really respected me joggling a local marathon and being on the front page of the newspaper. I was a little afraid they would judge me and think low of me. I joggled the marathon 1 month before I got married to their daughter. So far though, they're respectful and nonjudgmental, as long as I am a good husband, father, and worker.

Joe S.
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Mike Fisher
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Posted - 02/21/2011 :  16:14:12  Show Profile  Send Mike Fisher a Yahoo! Message Send Mike Fisher a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In his defense I did have long hair in those days and knowing the way he is I'm sure long hairs, hippies, jugglers and gypsies are all pretty much the same to him. Wonder what would happen if he ran in to some folks doing poi?

You are also right about being a good husband and father, he may not understand everything I do but he and I do respect each other and that is a good thing.

Mike



Edited by - Mike Fisher on 02/21/2011 16:17:54
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Joe Salter
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Posted - 02/22/2011 :  13:44:38  Show Profile  Visit Joe Salter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Respect is crucial. Understanding helps too.

I can think of a lost worse things to be doing than juggling.

Joe S.
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Evan Patterson
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Posted - 03/04/2011 :  20:31:33  Show Profile Send Evan Patterson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jason Garfield has juggled most of his life and has said that his 5 club back crosses is still not perfectly solid.

Evan
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anthonygatto
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Posted - 03/06/2011 :  22:03:54  Show Profile  Visit anthonygatto's Homepage Send anthonygatto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
He he... I voted not knowing what a 25 or 97531 was. But I can pretty much assume that it's not as difficult as 5 club backcrosses. Everyone should respond a little differently here, although it seems everyone who has voted agrees. I think flexibility plays a huge part in the backcross, whereas coordination may play a bigger role in the head-bounce with juggling. Everyone has there strong and weak points, My weak points are backcrosses and flat,s and if I search harder, I could come up with a host of information on what I consider my weak points. I think everyone has a certain criteria that they excel at. And that my friend is what they should focus on. Oh, to respond to Evan, we really should shy away from the word perfectly in juggling, because it will never be achieved. I know I use it to describe a show that I don't drop, but it really is using the term loosely.


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Joe Salter
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Posted - 03/07/2011 :  14:28:12  Show Profile  Visit Joe Salter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting point about flexibility and coordination being used more in certain patterns. I can concur on the flexibility weak point. One of my shoulders (right one) is less flexible than the other one. There's an imbalance there for some reason, and I've had it for years. A simple stretch where you put your hand behind you back and grab your other hand can show that my right one is much less flexible. I don't do a lot of backcrosses because I've never really excelled at them too much. Maybe they're a weak point for me.

I've always admired the difficulty and nice look to 5 club backcrosses. I don't think I'll ever try to go there in my lifetime.





Joe S.
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